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Ep11. Coatue Conference Recap, Tesla & ISS Controversy | BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner
BG2Pod with Brad Gerstner and Bill GurleySat Jun 22 2024
Venture Markets and IPO Trends:
- Coatue’s East Meets West Conference facilitates discussions between entrepreneurs from Silicon Valley and China, focusing on market trends in public and venture markets.
- Philippe LaFont highlighted the normalization of VC funding, with a forecast of $250 billion going into venture in 2024 compared to $715 billion in 2021, indicating a shift in investment levels.
- The focus on AI companies was evident, with an average valuation of $1 billion and round sizes of $120 million, showcasing significant growth opportunities within this sector.
- Concerns were raised about the large number of unicorns (1,400) facing challenges to go public due to competition and lackluster revenue growth, highlighting potential obstacles for companies seeking IPOs.
AI Market Trends and Public Markets:
- There was a debate surrounding the existence of an AI bubble in the public markets. Despite initial concerns, NVIDIA's stock surged by 200%, challenging the notion of an impending bubble.
- OpenAI was rumored to be generating $3.5-$4 billion in revenue split between consumer and enterprise segments, demonstrating substantial growth potential within the AI industry.
- The benefits of being a public company were discussed, emphasizing advantages such as trust-building, increased scrutiny leading to operational improvements, and enhanced investor access. Suggestions were made for OpenAI to consider going public for long-term sustainability.
Implications of Going Public:
- Going public was seen as beneficial for tightening operations and increasing transparency but requires careful planning and structural changes within the company to adapt to public market standards.
- Concerns were raised about private companies staying private too long without facing market realities or achieving necessary growth rates for successful IPOs, underscoring the importance of timely decision-making regarding IPO readiness.
- Encouragement was given for more AI-first companies to consider going public as it could help unlock IPO opportunities for others in the ecosystem by setting precedents that facilitate future listings.
OpenAI and IPOs:
- Companies like OpenAI are encouraged to go public with around $10 billion in revenue, emphasizing the importance of companies going public smaller.
- Criteria for going public include reaching a billion dollars in revenue and having a path to breakeven, ensuring shareholder alignment.
- Concerns arise about high cash burn rates despite significant revenue, questioning how public markets would perceive disproportionate cash burn.
- The discussion highlights the significance of revenue thresholds and profitability paths for companies considering an initial public offering (IPO). It underscores the balance between substantial revenue figures and sustainable financial practices to align with investor expectations.
- Going public is seen as beneficial for companies like OpenAI, provided they meet specific revenue milestones and demonstrate a clear path to profitability. The conversation delves into the challenges posed by high cash burn rates even with substantial revenues, raising questions about market perception regarding financial sustainability.
Elon Musk's Pay Package and ISS Controversy:
- Elon Musk won the shareholder vote for his pay package, with retail investors voting 90-10 in favor and institutional investors at 70-30.
- Institutional Shareholder Services (ISS) recommended against the package, highlighting concerns about their influence on board decisions.
- Vanguard voted in favor of the package, showcasing potential pushback against ISS recommendations by passive investors.
- The Delaware legal precedent is discussed, where a lawsuit involving Tesla raised questions about excessive awards based on minimal share ownership.
- The controversy surrounding Elon Musk's compensation package reveals contrasting perspectives between different types of investors. Retail investors strongly support it while ISS opposes it, indicating potential conflicts over governance decisions within corporations.
- The impact of institutional recommendations from entities like ISS on corporate governance decisions is scrutinized. The differing stances taken by various investor groups shed light on potential conflicts arising from divergent views on executive compensation packages.
Venture Markets and Going Public Challenges:
- Boards of directors play a crucial role in setting conditions early for companies to go public successfully.
- There is optimism that more companies can go public if they maintain profitability, avoid excessive capital raising, and set reasonable valuations.
- Concerns exist regarding the impact of excess fundraising during certain periods leading to challenges in companies going public.
- The conversation delves into the proactive role boards of directors play in preparing companies for successful IPOs. It emphasizes the need for sustainable financial strategies and realistic valuations to facilitate smoother transitions into the public market sphere.
- Board members' proactive involvement in shaping company strategies towards successful IPOs is highlighted. Emphasis is placed on maintaining profitability levels, avoiding aggressive fundraising approaches, and establishing appropriate valuations as key factors influencing companies' readiness for going public.
Globalization and Competitive Advantage:
- Globalization is seen as essential for lifting people out of poverty through comparative advantage principles like Ricardo's theory.
- Productivity gains and national competitive advantage are key factors for sustained economic growth and innovation.
- Discussions revolve around skilled immigration policies as a way to enhance talent acquisition and maintain competitiveness.
- The dialogue explores globalization's pivotal role in economic development by leveraging comparative advantages. It also underlines productivity enhancements as critical components for long-term economic progress alongside strategic talent acquisition through favorable immigration policies.