PodcastsLex Fridman Podcast#432 – Kevin Spacey: Power, Controversy, Betrayal, Truth & Love in Film and Life
#432 – Kevin Spacey: Power, Controversy, Betrayal, Truth & Love in Film and Life
Lex Fridman PodcastWed Jun 05 2024
Kevin Spacey's Approach to Acting:
- Kevin Spacey took on the role of John Doe in "Se7en" after another actor was dismissed, leading him to strategically choose not to have billing for the movie until later scenes, maintaining the mystery around his character.
- He emphasized the importance of serving the writing and staying true to the text as an actor, focusing on delivering lines authentically to bring out the intended emotions and depth of a character.
David Fincher's Directing Style:
- David Fincher is recognized for his meticulous directing approach, involving multiple takes during filming, averaging 25 to 65 takes per scene compared to most directors who do less than 10.
- The purpose behind Fincher's numerous takes is to eliminate any pretense or unnecessary elements from actors' performances, emphasizing clarity, speed, movement, and natural delivery of lines.
- By continuously requesting actors to redo scenes with minor adjustments like faster line delivery or increased intentionality, Fincher aims to achieve a specific pace and tone in his films while pushing actors towards their best performances.
Theater vs. Film Acting:
- Kevin Spacey highlighted differences between theater acting and film acting, noting that good acting remains consistent across both mediums despite varying demands.
- In theater, vocal energy and stamina are crucial due to live performances without breaks compared to film where retakes are possible for refining scenes.
Improvisation in Acting:
- Kevin Spacey values serving the written text as an actor but acknowledged that improvisation can be beneficial during rehearsals by exploring different interpretations of scenes.
- Improvisation is particularly useful in comedy settings where spontaneity can lead to humorous moments and creative interactions among actors on stage or screen.
Kevin Spacey's Acting Career and Personal Challenges:
- Kevin Spacey discussed his acting career, highlighting experiences with renowned actors like Al Pacino and Jack Lemmon.
- He shared how a dresser named Laura Beatty recommended him to Al Pacino after seeing his performance in the play "Lost in Yonkers," which led to a role in "Glengarry Glen Ross."
- Spacey emphasized the significant impact of mentors like Jack Lemmon on his career, mentioning that Lemmon encouraged him to pursue acting despite initial doubts from others.
Allegations and Legal Proceedings:
- Spacey addressed sexual allegations against him, noting that he was acquitted in criminal and civil trials.
- He clarified that he never engaged in sexual activities with underage individuals or used his position for career advancement through sexual favors.
- While acknowledging crossing boundaries and making mistakes, Spacey stressed that some accusations made against him were not true.
- He expressed regret for behaviors that were wrong and highlighted efforts over seven years to learn from past actions.
Reflections on Past Behavior:
- Spacey accepted responsibility for any emotional harm caused by his actions and expressed remorse towards individuals who may have been hurt.
Impact of Fame and Relationships:
- The discussion touched upon complexities of fame where people may befriend celebrities for personal gain.
- Spacey reflected on discerning genuine relationships from those motivated by career opportunities within the industry.
Handling Betrayal and Taking Responsibility:
- Despite challenges faced, Spacey noted that he has not felt betrayed by those who truly know him.
Kevin Spacey's Portrayal of Characters and Empathy:
- Kevin Spacey adopts an approach to playing characters without judgment, stating, "I never judge the people I play." This method allows him to deliver authentic performances by immersing himself in various roles.
- By embodying darker characters like Frank Underwood from "House of Cards," Spacey highlighted that this process fosters empathy and understanding towards different perspectives and moral systems. This enables him to portray complex characters with depth and authenticity.
Influence of Mike Nichols on Kevin Spacey's Career:
- Mike Nichols played a pivotal role in shaping Kevin Spacey's career by providing opportunities and guidance. For instance, Nichols cast Spacey in a film after seeing his performance in a play, leading to his first movie role alongside Jack Nicholson and Meryl Streep.
- Through experiences such as understudying multiple roles in a play under Nichols' mentorship, Spacey acknowledged the profound impact mentors have on fostering growth and offering valuable insights into character portrayal. The influence of mentors can significantly shape an actor's trajectory in the industry.
Exploring Good and Evil Within Individuals:
- Reflecting on Alexander Solzhenitsyn's concept that the line between good and evil exists within every person, Kevin Spacey expressed his belief that individuals possess the capacity for both good and evil within them.
- Drawing from personal experiences related to family dynamics, particularly regarding his father's transformation into a white supremacist, Spacey underscored the idea that each day presents an opportunity for individuals to make choices that contribute to their character development. This highlights the complexity of human nature and the continuous evolution of one's moral compass over time.
Kevin Spacey's Family Dynamics:
- Kevin Spacey recounts his challenging family dynamics, including his father's possession of a Nazi flag and books about Hitler, which led him to seek solace in theater and other activities to avoid returning home.
- Reflecting on his father's transformation from a U.S. Army medic to a different person, Spacey discusses the process of forgiveness towards his father while questioning his mother's protective role.
- Spacey emphasizes the importance of seeking love over hate from parents, drawing parallels between an experiment showing infants craving parental attention and his own childhood experiences.
Portrayal of Politics in "House of Cards":
- Politicians hold varying opinions on the accuracy of "House of Cards" in depicting political scenarios, with some believing it closely mirrors reality despite differing public statements.
- Spacey mentions receiving contrasting feedback from politicians regarding the show's authenticity, suggesting that it may resonate more with actual political situations than openly acknowledged.
- Humorously addressing interviewing characters like Frank Underwood known for deceitfulness, Spacey suggests a technique involving direct camera interaction to elicit honest responses.
Redemption and Legacy:
- Expressing aspirations for continuous growth as an actor, Kevin Spacey believes that his most outstanding performance is yet to come, indicating a desire for ongoing challenges and inspiration.
- Discussing themes of forgiveness and redemption, Spacey reveals attending church regularly for absolution and underscores their significance in personal development.
- Despite facing obstacles due to past controversies and industry challenges related to redemption pathways, Spacey hopes for a return to rationality within the entertainment sector compared to other fields.
Future Aspirations:
- When asked about the potential for another Oscar-worthy performance, Kevin Spacey confidently asserts that he has what it takes and humorously notes that winning again might provoke Jack Lemmon.
- Quoting Ernest Hemingway on life being worth fighting for, Spacey expresses optimism about future endeavors despite past adversities.