PodcastsThe Rich Roll PodcastDiscovering Yourself In Tragedy: Steph Catudal On Love, Grief, Healing & Finding Meaning in Life’s Profound Moments
Discovering Yourself In Tragedy: Steph Catudal On Love, Grief, Healing & Finding Meaning in Life’s Profound Moments
The Rich Roll PodcastSun Oct 15 2023
Religion and Spirituality:
- Raised in the LDS (Mormon) religion, but felt disconnected from herself within the religion
- Experienced a loss of faith and rejection of spirituality after her father's death
- Encountered a bishop who responded compassionately when she was honest about her struggles
Relationships and Addiction:
- Attracted to extreme personalities in relationships
- Engaged in partying and substance use as a way to cope with grief, rebellion, and seeking connection
- Struggled with guilt for leading others away from sobriety while not having an addictive personality herself
Parenting Through Tragedy:
- Faced challenges in communicating with her children about Rives' illness
- Struggled with finding the balance between protecting them and being open about the severity of the situation
- Learned that it is impossible to navigate this perfectly and that each child responds differently
- Modeled vulnerability and allowed her children to comfort her during difficult moments
Embracing Sadness:
- Explored the importance of allowing oneself to feel sadness as part of the human experience
- Learned that sadness can coexist alongside other emotions like love, joy, fear, etc.
- Challenged societal expectations around always striving for happiness or perfection
Finding Meaning and Healing:
- Experienced moments of transcendental love during Rives' illness that defied explanation
- Felt connected to something greater than herself
- Described these experiences as spiritual even though she questioned their nature
- Considered the presence of her deceased father or some form of divine intervention
- Ultimately defined it as love regardless of what name or label is given
The power of love:
- A nurse wrote a letter about how the palpable love between Steph and her husband transformed her idea of love.
- Steph felt like she was a conduit for transferring love into her husband during his illness.
Taking responsibility for personal growth:
- Steph had to transition from relying on her husband to take care of everything to taking responsibility for her own growth and well-being.
- She also had to navigate being a mother while dealing with grief and suffering herself.
The importance of complementary emotions:
- Steph learned that it's okay to feel strong and weak at the same time, anger and gratitude at the same time.
- Accepting these complementary emotions made her feel more powerful.
Choosing to become stronger in tragedy:
- Steph believes that people have the choice to become their best selves in the worst times.
- Recognizing the power within oneself can lead to personal growth even in difficult circumstances.
Time malleability and memories as anchors:
- Memories are always happening and can be accessed at any moment.
- Time slows down or speeds up depending on the extremity of one's experiences.
Accessing gratitude and awareness outside of tragedy:
- Steph struggles with maintaining feelings of gratitude and awareness when life is good.
- She seeks advice on how to access those feelings without being in extreme circumstances.
Tommy Rivs' relationship with time and alternative ways of energy transference:
- Tommy experienced a unique relationship with time while he was in a coma.
- Without his ability to absorb energy from others through running, he struggled with being around people after his illness.
The quantum aspect of reality and different dimensions:
- Rives lived lifetimes in his coma, experiencing different families and lives.
- Steph is interested in the quantum aspect of reality and how it relates to time and memory.
Love existing in liminal spaces:
- Life exists between extremes, not just good or evil, right or wrong.
- The best parts of life are found in the gray areas, the liminal spaces.
Self-love and acceptance:
- The book explores self-acceptance as a core idea.
- It's about accepting all aspects of oneself, including the broken pieces that ultimately make a person stronger.
Relationship with shame:
- Steph tries not to dwell in shame because it was ingrained in her through her religious upbringing.
- She wants to teach her children the difference between guilt (actionable) and shame (a dead end).
Universal love:
- The book explores the concept of universal love as reflected by the actions of others.
- Steph believes that recognizing love within oneself allows for seeing love all around us.